I'm sorry ladies, the uniforms makes you look tired soccer moms. By all accounts, the freshened-up aircraft are being well received and plenty of regular travelers are comparing seat plans to make sure they get booked onto a flight with a refurbished A380 scheduled to operate it. It’s fair to say the A380 never enjoyed the success anticipated – not just at Qantas but worldwide. Please Alan - bring back the refurbed A380. I wish all our readers the compliments of the season. refurbishment of the A380s is well underway. VH-OJU resting in Moses Lake after a 20-year career with Qantas. These are all long haul routes flying between key airports. The amount of passenger space per passenger may not vary between an A380 and a 787, but if a passenger perceives this as so, the sense of space can be as important to passenger satisfaction as the actual space. Despite the nay-sayers alluding to 'no business', there is an acknowledged high backlog of travel demand which even Alan Joyce admits. Why send the fleet to the Mohave? "There is a potential to bring all 12 (A380s) back (into service), but there is a potential to bring less than 12 back," Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce told Executive Traveller on May 5, when he announced the review. parties. No major loss in Business. to remain on the ground for at least three years until we see those international volumes brought back," Joyce said. 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That seems straightforward enough. Thank you so much Qantas, Alan and staff. Alan Joyce says the mighty superjumbo is likely to stay grounded "for at least three years.". It is an interesting idea, and one no doubt that Qantas looked at, but it’s unlikely the numbers stacked up. There is not much use for the two powerhouses in the current climate. Emirates confirms changes to first class award bookings, Here's proof that not all frequent flyer programs are equal, Plaza Premium extends Smart Traveller points to Dec 2021, Hilton Honors extends status for up to two years, Flybuys points cut on Coles Rewards Mastercard, The secrets behind those luxury hood ornaments, MG's 2021 ZS compact eSUV hits the sweet spot, Why credit card points aren't all created equal, How to spend your AMEX points before April 15. It can work on certain routes but not on the majority of routes. Further, whilst Australians have been compliant in lockdown for the past 3 months, I doubt strongly that those same people will sit back and accept no international service from QF for the next 12 months when competitors are to be flying from October / November this year. Such sad news. And communicating Australia is more important than Nancy Bird Ansett or Longreach. Qantas cancelled its last A380 order in February, just like Emirates, keeping only 12 jumbo jets. This all goes some way to explaining why the era of the A380 is going to be a relatively short one. Boeing 787-9; Airbus 380. It is too Australian, for customers who are primarily not actually Australian. I can see myself waiting until I can travel on the A380 again (preferrably Qantas but, if not, Emirates, Qatar or Etihad). The idea of the A380 as a congestion buster never really worked. Give me the A380 anytime over 787 when in economy though. That would be 5 with new fit out. generally at least as good as Emirates and Etihad. The aircraft will gain six business class seats compared to the previous configuration. As an engineer the plane is inheritably unstable and placing rotational forces on the wings that no previous 737 has had to encounter. But it is unfair to say the A380 was a dud – it wasn’t. The operating environment has changed a lot in 13 years and hindsight is a beautiful thing. This means there will no longer be a first class product on Qantas until 2023. Aircraft need passengers to turn a dollar. The iconic jumbos were due for retirement by the end of 2020 in favour of new Boeing 787 Dreamliners, but that timetable has been brought forward six months, with the last red-tailed Boeing 747 departing Sydney at the end of June, bound for Mojave's aviation 'boneyard'. Absolutely. Just checked the floor plans VH-OQA,B,C,D,E,F,G,I,L ARE showing 14F 64B 35PE 371E, with the Sky bed Layout. at least with the 6 refurbished examples. They are so good. Captain Mark Kelly has timed his retirement to perfection. My problem is that Qantas seriously tries too hard to be Australian when it comes off as unauthentic. But if you consider the flat bed space - the four probably take the space of twenty seats (2 rows) down stairs. (Photo: AirlineGeeks | William Derrickson) While the airline is expected to resume A380 operations in September, the 747s future has been called into question. Qantas can hype up the 787 and even the A350 all they want but they need to realise neither will ever be the A380. For its part, Qantas does seem to be making a success of flying the A380 on key international routes – out to Singapore, London, Los Angeles and Dallas Fort Worth. ... Qantas A380 First Class QF9 Dubai to London - Duration: 21:13. iFlyTheWorld 768,791 views. Garuda Indonesia - Retirement Flight Capt Purwanto - Duration: 6:09. For airlines like Qantas, it meant they could reduce the number of services to places like Los Angeles and Heathrow while maintaining available seat numbers. Airbus supersalesman John Leahy has broken his silence to speak out about the failure of the A380 superjumbo that passengers love. Qantas has had a long and successful history with the Boeing 747 series aircraft. In June 2019, Alan Joyce was reported in Simple Flying as saying; “We are reconfiguring the A380s as we speak. Many passengers prefer the larger A380 aircraft to the smaller, albeit more modern Boeing 787s and A350s. 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I wish the best however I am not going on the max. The Mandarin names are messed up and do not convey that it is an Australia airline. Likely, there will be an accelerated retirement timeline for the carrier’s A380s, especially as Emirates starts to take delivery of its 50 A350s and 30 787s beginning in 2023. Although all 12 A380s will remain in hibernation, the six which have been upgraded with the latest business class seats and inflight lounges would be first to return to the skies. After that, the Queen Of The Skies was supposed to enjoy an eighteen month victory lap on the Johannesburg, Tokyo and Santiago runs; followed by the biggest farewell party the aviation world has ever seen. The idea of an A380 as the Project Sunrise aircraft is difficult to reconcile from a financial point of view and runs counter to Qantas’ efforts to reduce their environmental impact. You don't need to CGI stuff and try to show parts of Australia so desperately. Baggage & optional service fees; Conditions of Carriage and Passenger Rules & Fare Tariff; Qantas Group; News Room; Careers; oneworld; More about Qantas ; Qantas Centenary; Modern Slavery Act Statement; … British Airways announced the retirement of its fleet of ... when the first giant Airbus A380 went into service, that the 747 "Jumbo Jet" was finally eclipsed. I don't agree with the less than authentic Australian feel - I must say that whenever I was returning from a tedious business trip I really looked forward to my champers in the Qantas business class J - Felt I was on my way home! Ryanair Still Eyeing New Boeing 737 MAX 10 Order, Air New Zealand Launches New Domestic Focused Safety Video. Over the next few years, the Boeing 787-9 will become Qantas' international workhorse "to Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, London and Asia," Joyce said. Four Years Of SAA’s Airbus A330-300s – Where Are They Now? Qantas captain Richard de Crespigny, best known for safely landing an A380 when its engine exploded, has revealed COVID has forced him into early retirement. That Qantas flight from Germany flew to Australia without passengers. Hi Guest, join in the discussion on Qantas to mothball all Airbus A380s until at least 2023, Executive Traveller is published by Business Travel Media Pty Ltd, a corporate authorised credit representative (#515763) of MGS FINANCIAL PTY LIMITED (#337568). Qantas has said it will send its fleet of flagship superjumbo aeroplanes to desert storage for at least the next three years. I Survived Minecraft For 100 Days with Tors And This Is What Happened - Duration: 30:02. (Photo: AirlineGeeks | Katie Bailey) A Qantas 747-400 at San Francisco. As some other commentators had said in previous forums, the video is more about making us feel good about ourselves but does nothing to attract or gain loyalty with overseas clients, of which those from Asia will prefer Asian based airlines on the basis of in flight service rather than just being patriotic to their own homegrown airlines. These are all long haul routes flying between key airports. Didn’t receive an activation email? They don't look like kangarros to me. I saw QF29 flying into Hong Kong yesterday, the usual A330. The A380 came into production perhaps a decade too late. As noted yesterday in Simple Flying, the refurbishment of the A380s is well underway. Qantas: Airbus A380 upgrades, Boeing 747 retirement still on track Good news for the superjumbo, not so much for the original jumbo jet... By David Flynn, April 9 2020 Qantas says plans to refurbish its Airbus A380s and retire its Boeing 747 remain on track, despite the coronavirus hurling a giant-sized spanner into the works. Australia has the population of Beijing. Woomera has a strip that could easily handlen an A380. And the B787-9 provides much better cargo economics as it can fit up to 36 LD3 sized containers in the belly, whilst the A380 takes 38 containers, but at a much higher operating cost. Air France retired its entire A380 fleet as a result of the current pandemic, and Lufthansa doesn’t plan on flying its A380 fleet in the next couple of years either. If it's BOEING 737 Max I suggest you will have the entire plane to yourself. The Airbus A380 jets, which usually service international routes to and from London and Los Angeles, will instead fly to the US’ Mojave Desert … Keep it simple, a la Delta, and speak with that cheerful accent that communicates Australia to one and all. I would have thought storing them in Alice would be better than flying to California to store them. third I concur that I will always choose Emirates over Qantas if they have the A380 in service and Qantas does not(of course on QF paper). We’ll send you an email to re-activate your account and enter a new password. We are committed to operating the aircraft for up to another ten years.”. 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What Alan Joyce needs to be aware of is a bill making passage through the US Congress which sets out specific and enforceable issues for safe distancing within aircraft flying into, throough and out of US air space. They have facilities for maintenance, storage and scrapping. In 2019, Qantas began the process of retrofitting its Airbus A380 aircraft with new Business Suites as offered on Airbus A330 and Boeing 787 aircraft. After all, an, A380 flew nonstop from Germany to Australia. My favourite aircraft as a long haul passenger. The fate of the second six will hinge on the projected recovery for Qantas' flagship routes to London and the US, and the outcome of a sweeping review of the airline's entire international fleet to reshape it around post-coronavirus travel demand. My god Levinn there doesn't seem to be much about Qantas that you like? VH-OAH,J,K ARE SHOWING 14F 70B 60PE 341E, WITH the newer stagger business seats. Luke TheNotable Recommended for you Because there's more to long term storage than what you mentioned. But it is unfair to say the A380 was a dud – it wasn’t. last week. I'm surprised it is cheaper to fly them to Mojave for storage than to Alice Springs. Photo – Bernie Leighton Fortunately Qantas hasn’t permanently retired their A380s, but they’ve mothballed them until at least 2023. Can anyone clarify if it is the newest 6 that are refurbed or a mix?.....if its a mix doesn't make sense they'd refurb the older iterations as I understand some had issues. A sad day for passengers. Qantas will ground its entire flagship Airbus A380 fleet until at least the middle of 2023 as the airline comes to grips with what's expected to be a prolonged downturn in international travel. The first of up to four ex-Air France Airbus A380s has been positioned into Ireland West Airport for storage, signalling the start of the airline’s superjumbo retirement process. So much space. If demand increases beyond the 236-seat capacity of the Boeing 787-9, Qantas would likely add a second daily Dreamliner service onto the route – enacting the same plan as announced in March 2020 when the Sydney-Singapore-London QF1/QF2 Airbus A380 service was set to be rerouted via Perth on a Boeing 787-9. After all, an A380 flew nonstop from Germany to Australia last week. aircraft dubbed 'Queen of the Skies' by its fans, and which for decades was the backbone of Qantas' international fleet. I always base my international flying provider based on the highest comfort ad services first, hence those flying an A380 to my destination get first byte of my dollars. However, "the A380s have to remain on the ground for at least three years until we see those international volumes brought back," Joyce said. And the A380 burns through fuel. As the captain of Qantas flight QF32, Richard de Crespigny was responsible for saving hundreds of lives when an engine exploded shortly after take-off, causing extensive damage to the A380. Airports get busier as passenger and aircraft numbers keep climbing. It will take a year to reconfigure all twelve of them. But I am concerned that Qantas' shine as Australia's flag carrier may not resonate with a product that doesn't look decent enough to compete with others. Qantas has also sent its 12 A380 super-jumbos to the Mojave on the expectation they will not return to the fleet for at least another three years. The last Qantas 747 flight to London was in 2010 and to California was San Francisco in early December 2019, squeezed out by the A380 and B787. Here are the best watches of the year: should you care? I loved the so-called ‘Emerald City‘ at the front of the upper deck.... Just so quiet and smooth. Putting in the new seats took too long, are still not on all. The 3 years that Joyce is suggesting possibly worst case scenario however I would anticipate March 2022, Services like SYD-LAX, BNE- LAX and SYD-DFW to return to around 70% of pre-avoidablevirus numbers. To me, the customer it means I as a Singaporean, feel special. Resend one to yourself here. Congestion busting aircraft are just a nice theoretical idea – nothing more. From far they look like Cathay Dragon and Turkish Airlines or a red Lufthansa. are being put into the Mojave Desert, where the environment protects the aircraft (because) we have the intention at the right time to restart them, but that is a considerable amount of time away.". Oops, this content can't be loadedbecause you're having connectivity problems, Stay always informed and up to date with our breaking news alerts. The veteran Qantas pilot made a career out of flying the Boeing 747 aircraft, fondly dubbed the "Queen of the Skies". I know it needs to be viable but I wouldn't be too hasty in ditching the fleet. "The aircraft are being put into the Mojave Desert, where the environment protects the aircraft (because) we have the intention at the right time to restart them, but that is a considerable amount of time away.". I hope that demand will allow QF to recommence A380 ops. Sorry but I think you miss the point. In a two-part series, Mr. Leahy speaks exclusively to Airlineratings.com John Leahy, in retirement since early 2018, is an aviation legend and seen as the ultimate aircraft salesman. Correct - OQB/OQF/OQJ are currently at the QF LAX maintenance facility which only has limited ramp space, which will likely be needed for B787 work when USA services resume. Frankly, QF doesn't have sufficient B787-9's to sustain or even revive international routes from SYD, MEL, PER and BNE as virus numbers o/s begin to retreat. This all goes back to my earlier point that the A380 is a niche aircraft. Qantas is on course to retire its fleet of twelve A380s within ten years. Prestige and Profit, that's what will deliver a vaccine/'s from a US pharma/'s most likely by end of 2020, let's face it Armstrong walked on the moon 51 years ago. My focus has changed a bit I guess now concentrating on leisure rather than business travel. Maybe some of the A380's going to Mohave are currently parked at LAX? Qantas haven't updated their seat maps for a while so they only show OQH OQK and OQK on their seat map. The 747 has been a faithful partner to Qantas for nearly half a century. The airline is also winding up its Boeing 747 fleet, marking a fanfare-free end for the aircraft dubbed 'Queen of the Skies' by its fans, and which for decades was the backbone of Qantas' international fleet. The sad last flight for Qantas A380. Sure, Qantas could vacate a slot, but nature abhors a vacuum and another aircraft inevitably slid into that spot. There has been a bit of discussion around as to whether Qantas made the right or wrong decision buying the A380s back in 2006. My first post today - So lazy of me waiting until I have just retired to become active although I have been following the platform for years. Subscribe to our free newsletter and get the latest news, reviews, tips and more sent straight to your inbox, Qantas to mothball all Airbus A380s until at least 2023, Qantas will ground its entire flagship Airbus A380 fleet until at least the middle of 2023. as the airline comes to grips with what's expected to be a prolonged downturn in international travel. Down the back of the plane, there is more room and larger cabins. A6-EDB was the thirteenth A380 built by Airbus and took its first flight in April 2008. If it ain't Boeing I ain't going ". Your guide to earning and spending points at Qantas Hotels, Marriott Bonvoy Gold, Platinum status fast-track, Marriott Bonvoy status fast-track in Asia Pacific, Qatar Airways shuts Al Safwa, business, first class lounges, Virgin Australia's new Adelaide lounge will open April 2020, Priority Pass adds railway lounges to its growing network, Singapore Airlines to upgrade all remaining A380s. But what does the process entail, and where will the plane go? So it looks like the newer units got the upgrade. Anyway, Aviation Analyst reports that Qatar Airways plans to retire their A380s at the ten year mark, meaning that they’ll start to retire A380s in 2024. The cost of flying the A380s to Mohave compared with ASP is relatively minuscule given the overall cost to the business of parking them for three years. The failure occurred over Batam Island, Indonesia, four minutes after takeoff from Singapore Changi Airport. But things didn’t turn out exactly as planned. Supplied. Delta Cuts Cash Burn Almost 50% As It Aims For Break-Even Spring, Why Now Is The Perfect Time To Launch A Colombian Low Cost Carrier. 21:13. By David Flynn, June 25 2020 Qantas will ground its entire flagship Airbus A380 fleet until at least the middle of 2023 as the airline comes to grips with what's expected to … It's all about survival for Qantas but the A380 is/was simply unsurpassed experience wise. And I'll be mothballing my QFF card, and firing up the Emirates Skywards instead (or whoever keeps flying the A380). Qantas 747s carried more than 250 million people in almost half a century of service, including Queen Elizabeth II and every Australian Olympic team since 1984. Journalist - A Masters level education and appetite for travel combines to make Andrew an incredible aviation brain with decades of insight behind him. It’s fair to say the A380 never enjoyed the success anticipated – not just at Qantas but worldwide. Back when the A380 was seen as the next big thing, Qantas planned to take 20 of them and crisscross the globe. We’ll send you an email containing the activation link. oqh, oqj and oqk sorry. There's plenty of dry flat land, a railway and a major highway at the front door, plenty of vacant accommodation, an airport with flights to Adelaide every few hours just 70km away, a dry climate and most importantly, plenty of security. While this retirement is not a direct causality of the COVID-19 pandemic, the once-reverenced “Eighth Wonder” is slowly withdrawing from the skies as airlines struggle to fill its seats to capacity. With Qantas forecasting its international network to reach only 50% of its pre-pandemic capacity during the 2021-2022 financial year, Joyce said the A380s "don’t have any use during this period of time. A6-EDB’s History and Final Flight. I can't edit the post. Would the A380 ever work as the Project Sunrise aircraft? 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